we would lose 700,000 jobs in america. is that the kind of economy that this president wants to start out with in his second term? i don't think so. president obama said two years ago, now is not the time with a sluggish economy to raise taxes. we need to consider the fact that folks who started raising taxes on the business creators. there's a right way to do this and there's a wrong way to do it. and speaker boehner was absolutely correct, you have to have revenues on the table. that does mean raising taxes. >> senator murray, let me come back to you. the best way might be do off the cliff, have the tax cuts expire and then come back. that could have an impact on economic growth. >> look, no one wants to go off the fiscal cliff, but, a fair deal is absolutely critical here, i'm delighted to hear speaker boehner and i know senator chambliss has said repeatedly that revenue has to be a part of it. but how that revenue is collected a critical. if it's just eliminating tax loopholes that affect middle-class families and they